ACRL OnPoint Chat Archive Thursday, March 4, 2010: Conversational openings with faculty about scholarly communication

(11 a.m. Pacific | 12:00 p.m. Mountain | 1:00 p.m. Central | 2:00 p.m. Eastern)

Are you interested in talking with faculty on your campus about scholarly communication issues, but not sure where to start? Have you had success in starting the discussion naturally? Share your strategies and ask colleagues for advice during this month's OnPoint chat, convened by the authors of the February C&RL News column on this topic. (Also, see ACRL’s Scholarly Communication Toolkit with twelve cases, integrating information from throughout the Toolkit, to help you recognize opportunities http://www.acrl.ala.org/scholcomm/node/43). Discuss ways to raise scholarly communication issues which come up in a variety of settings when interacting with faculty. Librarians can often take advantage of these opportunities to increase awareness of those issues and new developments in scholarly publishing. Discussions may result in a faculty member’s use of, and support for, new services created by the library’s scholarly communication initiatives. Some faculty may even become advocates for introducing changes in the institution’s strategies of disseminating locally generated scholarly content This month's chat convened by Dan Lee, Director, Office of Copyright Management & Scholarly Communication at the University of Arizona Library, and Adrian Ho, Scholarly Communication Librarian at the University of Western Ontario.

Chat Log Archive

Kara Malenfant
So it looks like we're at the top of the hour. Welcome everyone. If you're looking to talk about Conversational openings with faculty about scholarly communication then you're in the right place.

12:01 sgroberts
Oh shoot - the fire alarm just went off!!!! I'm glad that there will be a transcript and, with hope, I'll be back soon.

12:01 Kara Malenfant
This is a pretty informal way to exchange ideas with one another. We've got two ACRL leaders convening the chat to help keep the conversation flowing. They are Dan Lee, Director, Office of Copyright Management & Scholarly Communication at the University of Arizona Library, and Adrian Ho, Scholarly Communication Librarian at the University of Western Ontario.

12:02 Kara Malenfant
They'll work on content from here on out and David Free and I will pop in to help with any technical questions about using Meebo. Take it away!

12:02 dan_lee_az
This chat session is based on the column Adrian and I did for C&R News.

12:02 dan_lee_az
The column was based on a section we developed for the ACRL Scholarly Communication Toolkit: http://www.acrl.ala.org/scholcomm/node/43

12:02 Joe Kraus
Did anyone here go to the Science Commons Symposium near Seattle?

12:03 David Free 
 http://crln.acrl.org/content/71/2/83.full

12:03 Kara Malenfant
Yes, sgroberts, there will be a text transcript posted after to http://www.sciencelibrary.org/post/425212764/scien

12:03 David Free
Michelle - it will launch in a new window or tab

12:04 Michelle L. Young
ok thanks

12:04 dan_lee_az
Shoot, your url didn't show up as a link. Were there sessions that would help us promote these issues with faculty?

12:04 Joe Kraus
The speaker list is here http://sciencecommons.org/events/salon/

12:06 dan_lee_az
What are your experiences bringing up these issues with faculty?

12:06 Adrian Ho
There is this blog post about the symposium as well: http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/2010/02/science-commons-symposium-thoughts.html

12:06 Joe Kraus
Cool. Thanks Adrian.

12:06 kayatwsu
Just a little technical hint. If you put in a URL be sure to add a space after it to make it a link for the rest of us. Thanks!

12:07 UNO Library
We've just started talking with faculty--started with our faculty committee on the library

12:07 SueinME
The Library Director and I (Bowdoin College) have presented twice to the faculty brown bag lunch series

12:07 Christie Peters
I am really just getting ready to initiate conversations with people. I am hoping that I can avoid common mistakes by participating in events like this one.

12:07 Fran
How well attended was the brown bag lunch series?

12:07 dan_lee_az
How did the committee at UNO respond? Anyone ready to change their practices?

12:07 SueinME
It was a full room, which was great.

12:07 UNO Library
the UNO faculty on our library committee were pretty supportive

12:08 SueinME
We also launched a Scholarly Communication webpage which I am currently converting over to LibGuide

12:08 UNO Library
they had a lot of questions but they left the meeting with a good understanding and even some enthusiasm

12:08 UNO Library
we are trying to figure out how to reach out to college-wide groups of faculty

12:08 Brad Gulliford
Response mostly (1st) it's all new to me; (2nd) Meh-an additional step to take (more work)

12:08 Adrian Ho
SueinME, did any faculty come up to you and seek help?

12:08 Joe Kraus
We are trying to organize a Provost Conference in the fall (on Scholarly comm issues), and we are starting to gather names for prospective speakers.

12:08 UNO Library
we don't have a lot of avenues for having conversations at that level

12:09 uc-irvine
are these presentations something the faculty asked for, or were they volunteered?

12:09 kayatwsu
I have begun to attend departmental faculty meetings with the departmental liaison librarians. I see it as a way to get better known and to offer services to faculty members.

12:09 dan_lee_az
Sounds good. Do you have plans for taking that enthusiasm and building on it at UNO?

12:09 SueinME
It did open lines of communication. I've gotten follow up questions months after each event.

12:09 SueinME
THey also will direct students to us with questions about Intellectual property

12:09 UNO Library
at UNO we're just trying to raise awareness of the issue

12:09 cshepstone
As Library Director I have attended faculty council meetings with our AVP Research Services and our liaison librarians. THis was to start the conversation and get a sense of how much faculty were aware and/or interested.

12:10 JenFerguson
I paired with a faculty member to give a presentation to new grad students on scholarly communication & authors' rights; it was shockingly well-attended (50+ attendees)

12:10 dan_lee_az
SuneinMe, what sorts of questions came after the event?

12:10 Adrian Ho
Sue, that's a good start. Do you plan to organize something like workshops to address those questions?

12:10 Joe Kraus
I have a LibGuide about Scholarly Comm, but it might be a little stale. Anyone have a good one?

12:10 uwwoman
What do you think you did that got such good attendance?

12:11 SueinME
The questions so far have been fairly specific to that faculty member's situation with publishers.

12:11 akapucu
Could you share the link of the LibGuide?

12:11 kayatwsu
We just got LibGuides and I'm developing one on our repository and on author rights.

12:11 Christie Peters
Jen, what was your connection with the faculty member?

12:11 Joe Kraus
Here it is, http://libguides.du.edu/scoa

12:11 akapucu
Thanks!

12:11 JenFerguson
a couple of things helped the attendance - it was part of a series targeted at grad students, and co-teaching with faculty

12:12 JenFerguson
and free food (never hurts) ;)

12:12 dan_lee_az
Yeah for free food!

12:12 SueinME
We are planning to continue offering to speak at least once a year. The library has also cosponsored two lecture series on issues of scholarly communication.

12:13 dan_lee_az
How did the lecture series go? Did you notice any changes afterwards?

12:13 Adrian Ho
Sue, interesting about lecture series. How are you going to organize it?

12:13 Brad Gulliford
We're offering presentations on e.g., author's rights, copyright

12:13 dan_lee_az
Brad, any takers?

12:14 Brad Gulliford
Yes, not too small a crowd. Whether it's the *right* people, though . . . ?

12:14 Brad Gulliford
I think the point is that the sessions are specific topics, not just the grey cloud of schol comm.

12:14 dan_lee_az
Joe asked earlier if anyone had a favorite scholarly communication guide. De people have favorites? Anyone proud of what they've put up?

12:15 SueinME
We collaborated with the Chemistry Dept. My Director wrote an excellent article on the history of SC, I'll get the citation to post. We brought in the then editor of PLOS biology, and a noted expert in OA (and i'll have to look up that name!)

12:15 JenFerguson
great ideas, Sue

12:15 hillarycorbett
We've done a similar brown bag series here but found that it was mostly library staff who attended. We're not quite reaching the faculty yet.

12:15 UNO Library
The Univ of Minn Libraries site has been very useful to us!

12:15 SueinME
The speakers appeared over the course of a year, and was advertised in faculty meetings, on the facutly/staff digest, via liaisons... every way we could think of.

12:16 ColRef 
http://ulib.iupui.edu/digitalscholarship/openaccess good mix of basic info and examples, in my opinion.

12:16 Adrian Ho
Sue, were the lectures/presentations taped?

12:16 mklibrarian
I've working on a LibGuide on OA. Still under development, but you can view it at http://guides.zsr.wfu.edu/openaccess

12:16 Brad Gulliford
Great day-long at U. of North Texas Health Sci. Ctr. last week, but it attracted more librarians from other places than local faculty (their intended audience)

12:16 SueinME
No, we didn't tape them, wish we had!

12:16 dan_lee_az
Hilary, what do you think the barriers are to getting faculty interested enough to come?

12:16 hillarycorbett
I think the greatest barrier is that faculty don't think these issues are of relevance to them.

12:17 hillarycorbett
They have their tried-and-true way of doing research and publishing, and they don't have a vested interest in seeing that change.

12:17 Brad Gulliford
Do we need more evidence, such as impact factors, statistics?

12:17 Carolyn
That is my experience as well. You have to find the personal hook, which isn't always easy.

12:17 sgroberts
We had information sessions on specific topics during Open Access week. They were attended by a few faculty and grad students, but mostly library staff.

12:17 Joe Kraus
That looks great Molly!

12:17 Carolyn
We've put on a number of programs on schol comm issues in the past but has limited faculty participation.

12:18 mklibrarian
Thanks Joe!

12:18 akapucu
I agree since they are under so much pressure of getting published.

12:18 hillarycorbett
We're trying a bit of a different tack now, which is to emphasize schol comm as a university issue, rather than a library issue.

12:18 chollan3
We had a guest speaker for OA Week who talked about Author Rights, etc. Among those who attended was the VP for IT who sent me a note stating that it would have been a good presentation for the semi-annual Deans & Directors meeting.

12:18 Carolyn
I try to bring up schol comm topics when I go talk at faculty meetings. That does get some followup up interest.

12:18 dan_lee_az
Does anyone have ideas to help faculty see the impact of the current system on their own work?

12:18 Adrian Ho
Hillary, are there faculty members on your campus who advocates for changes in SC?

12:18 hillarycorbett
It goes against the grain to deemphasize the library in marketing, but in this case I think it can only help.

12:18 Brad Gulliford
Bingo Hillary--get the provost to back it

12:18 SueinME
The article I mentioned earlier was: The Scholarly Communication Movement: Highlights and Recent Developments [Collection Building 25, no. 4 (2006): 108-28]

12:19 SueinME
By Sherrie Bergman

12:19 mklibrarian
Has anyone tried working from the top-down? I've had success by going before the Deans Council and this week the Chairs Meeting, and I hope to get into individual dept meetings soon

12:19 SueinME
We are fortunate to have a few very well respected faculty as active allies on campus.

12:19 hillarycorbett
Yes, there are a few. But they can be muddled in their thinking. For example, we have faculty members who started an open access journal here, and yet they really know very little about the wider issues of scholarly communication and author rights.

12:19 chollan3
We are also planning to train/educate our Liaison librarians in our SC "message" etc. before we move on to instructional faculty.

12:20 mklibrarian
I've arranged a monthly standing meeting with the Assoc. Provost for Faculty Development, which has been instrumental in opening doors that might've otherwise remained closed.

12:20 Adrian Ho
Hillary, I think it helps to frame the SC issues as a university-wide/faculty issues. Otherwise, they may not pay attention.

12:21 sgroberts
Yes, providing the Liaison Librarians with the "message" and the means to provide faculty members with appropriate strategies for their specific needs has been successful here.

12:21 dan_lee_az
The liaisons can be the key if they already have good relationships with their faculty.

12:21 chollan3
One would hope they do!

12:21 uc-irvine
definitely! the liaisons need to be comfortable talking about the issues, which are not always straightforward

12:21 sgroberts
What's the scope of your SC "message"?

12:22 Brad Gulliford
How about motivating faculty from above, but showing them techniques and tools (software, IR) to carry out the mandate?

12:22 chollan3
We've written a mission statement guiding our efforts and come up with 3 short-term goals to work on as a team.

12:22 mklibrarian
For those working with liaisons, holding a halfday workshop for liaisons to ensure they understand the issues and terminology might be a great way to engage them, and give you an opporunity to hone your presentation skills

12:22 dan_lee_az
Liaisons also need to recognize that they can bring up these issues in normal conversations while helping faculty with specific issues. They don't need to wait for a departmental presentation.

12:23 uc-irvine
yes, which is one of the reasons the scenarios are so helpful

12:23 chollan3
I agree, Dan. In fact, I think that's the tactic promoted by ARL.

12:23 Adrian Ho
mklibrarian, I attended meetings with associate deans (research). It really helped draw deans and department heads' attention.

12:23 LISbear
Direct relationships can be the way into a more formal discussion

12:23 SueinME
I like the liaison ideas. We don't have a faculty dining room, so we all eat in the same halls with students. It's a great time to find out what copyright problems they might have, and offer solutions.

12:23 dan_lee_az
What are your 3 goals for this year?

12:23 sgroberts
It's important to seize those opportunities, i.e. when you hear about a successful grant application or manuscript in the early stages.

12:24 Joe Kraus
Part of my message has included http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/. Faculty just don't know that they can provide green OA to their articles from most publishers.

12:24 uc-irvine
or, watch the school's press releases... that's a great way to identify faculty who are active, might need SC assistance, and might be very visible about solutions

12:24 dan_lee_az
Great idea at Irvine!

12:25 HeatherScalf
great idea on the press releases...

12:25 Christie Peters
@chollan3, what are your 3 short-term goals?

12:25 JenFerguson
yes, SHERPA RoMEO is a wonderful tool/talking point

12:26 Adrian Ho
In addition to RoMEO, I also mentioned DOAJ to faculty. They didn't these tools existed.

12:26 dan_lee_az
I agree about Sherpa/RoMEO. Faculty often don't believe they really are in control of their own works. This resource helps show the range of options.

12:28 mklibrarian
I've found that talking to faculty about how they want to use their work, then discussing ways to ensure that they have those rights and the tools such as SHERPA/RoMEO used to discern rights levels is successful

12:28 dan_lee_az
Did anyone find that helping out with compliance with the NIH policy opened doors for other discussions?

12:28 mklibrarian
Absolutely Dan

12:29 SueinME
Yes, we've now had discussions with our grants officer who is an advocate of the library.

12:29 mklibrarian
I organized a series of sessions on the Policy in 2008 that still generate questions to me about any number of publishing issues

12:29 hillarycorbett
Dan -- one thing that happened was that I became more comfortable talking to faculty about compliance and copyright, in general.

12:29 Joe Kraus
I wish I got questions about the NIH policy, but that really hasn't come up.

12:30 mklibrarian
Joe, organize a lecture or brown bag info session if you haven't already...you might be surprised who turns up

12:30 Adrian Ho
Sue, do you plan to collaborate with the grant officer to promote awareness of SC issues to researchers?

12:30 SueinME
I contacted the grants person on our campus, and asked who had NIH grants currently and who had grants pending. Then I contacted those faculty.

12:30 dan_lee_az
Sue, that's great. Our Research Compliance officer couldn't tell me who currently had NIH grants.

12:31 mklibrarian
Also, for those of you on non-medical/science heavy campuses, be sure to check with your research officers on the percentage of NIH funding...you might be surprised by how high it is. Our non-medical campus was over 50% external from NIH in 2--------

12:31 Brad Gulliford
Grants officer could help also b/c of funders requiring OA publication of results, no?

12:31 akapucu
Some faculty post their ideas and share their articles on their blogs. Now publisher are putting blocks on sharing full text articles on personal blogs

12:31 chollan3
That was smart SueinME. We have just become more aware of the amount of NIH funding our U receives when we put together a response letter for the OSTP RFI.

12:32 dan_lee_az
Somehow blogs are seen to generate more interest than individual web pages?

12:32 tjaponteUCLA
We offer regular NIH policy compliance workshops, in one of sessions last year the conversation turned to authors rights

12:32 Adrian Ho
tjaponte, it seemed to be a good sign. What transpired?

12:33 hillarycorbett
Dan -- Yes, I try to post about schol comm issues regularly on the library's blog (we also have an SC website). But it's hard to tell who's reading it...

12:33 dan_lee_az
TJ Aponte, that is an excellent example of taking one conversation and recognizing the broader context.

12:33 Brad Gulliford
I'm promoting use of blogs as info sources to be used and read, not just personal natterings.

12:33 HeatherScalf
great idea brad!

12:34 Adrian Ho
Brad, how do you promote the blog to faculty and grad students?

12:34 chollan3
I would like to tap into the grad student association(s).

12:34 uc-irvine
how do you promote preservation of the blog content?

12:35 Brad Gulliford
Adrian: just as one more source to check--and THAT's an Achilles heel? Suggestions? :-{)}

12:35 Brad Gulliford
Irvine: good question. They're not the same as journals!

12:36 Joe Kraus
Recommend Google Blog search?

12:36 Joe Kraus
Show them how to set up RSS feeds?

12:36 Brad Gulliford
Yes! Also a few others I forget offhand

12:36 Adrian Ho
Brad, maybe suggest that research centers use blogs to summarize their research progress?"

12:36 uc-irvine
also, http://technorati.com/for blog searches

12:36 chollan3
I like this idea, Adrian.

12:36 Brad Gulliford
RIght!

12:37 mklibrarian
Adrian, at ScienceOnline 2010 there was conversation about how science blogs fulfill the public engagement grant requirements that researchers are starting to see more often

12:37 Brad Gulliford
Adrian, I do also say that the new forms of SC are interactive, so readers should interact.

12:38 mklibrarian
IRs might be a good place to archive/preserve research/course associate blog content, although that opens multiple cans of worms for some IR managers

12:38 Adrian Ho
Brad, I totally agree with you. Interaction helps generate new knowledge, just like what we're doing here.

12:38 dan_lee_az
The SSP blog, Scholarly Kitchen, have had several posts saying no one reads science blogs.

12:38 Joe Kraus
Thinking of blogs, http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/has some interesting content.

12:38 SueinME
Has anyone been able to get their campus to commit about how OA journals are judged during the tenure process? Bowdoin claims not to have a policy about where faculty have published, other than of course peer reviewed. :)

12:38 uc-irvine
blogs are tricky, because they're not technically peer-reviewed, right?

12:39 Brad Gulliford
Does placement in an IR = publication? Certainly there's no promotion . . .

12:39 mklibrarian
Brad, not necessarily, but maybe it doesn't have ot

12:39 mklibrarian
*to

12:39 dan_lee_az
Placement in the IR should be associated with publication elsewhere for P&T purposes.

12:39 hillarycorbett
Brad -- some faculty would say that IR=vanity press in that case.

12:39 sgroberts
Wouldn't indexing by Google Scholar put IRs ahead of blogs as a distribution mechanism, re. grant requirements?

12:39 Brad Gulliford
No, we're just starting to evolve new methods of review/credibility. I say don't give up before we start.

12:40 Joe Kraus
I know of a humanities peer-reviewed journal that is hosted on blogspot. http://appositions.blogspot.com/this is done by someone here at DU.

12:40 akapucu
soft peer review you can sey they are

12:40 mklibrarian
Depends on the IR, Dan. Some have broader scope, in which case blogs might be appropriate content

12:41 Brad Gulliford
Same here, Hillary. Many IRs have review processes--I think this was considered when starting arXiv.org

12:41 dan_lee_az
Post-prints certainly aren't the only thing for IRs. But posting in an IR only isn't going to help P&T.

12:41 UNO Library
seems like it's going to take the peer reviewers and editors of the toll-access journals deciding to switch to OA that will make the dramatic difference in the reputation of OA journals

12:42 Adrian Ho
UNO, have you talked with faculty whoa re editors about converting from TA to OA?

12:42 Brad Gulliford
Why give the review power to the bloo******* for-pay journals! Proletarians, unite! Oh, sorry, wrong forum . . .

12:43 chollan3
These are issues that are often discussed on liblicense listserv.

12:43 mklibrarian
True, Dan, too true. But for preservation purposes, esp. for "ephemeral" digital content such as blogs, IRs could be utilized

12:43 UNO Library
we're just starting to try to identify faculty who have that role and can start to make those changes

12:43 Adrian Ho
I think it's helpful to know who among the faculty are editors and reach out to them.

12:44 dan_lee_az
UNO, you are on the right track. It will take the faculty/authors/reviewers to make change happen.

12:44 hillarycorbett
There are also options like ArchiveIt for preserving web content, which could include blogs hosted by the university.

12:45 dan_lee_az
I'm not familiar with Archivelt.

12:45 Joe Kraus
Is this it http://www.archive-it.org/?

12:45 hillarycorbett
Adrian -- I agree about finding out who on campus are editors. Just a simple search of our university's website brought back a surprising number of results (and that's just the folks who happen to mention their editorships on their university web pages).

12:45 Brad Gulliford
Or just say blogs are for early stage ideas, then publish in regular journal eventually.

12:45 Michelle L. Young
This was very interesting. I have to go, a 3pm meeting. Thanks everyone.

12:46 chollan3
Do you also believe it is worth reaching out to faculty who are heavily involved in professional associations?

12:46 hillarycorbett
Joe -- Yes, that's it. We're looking at implementing it here.

12:46 Joe Kraus
I will have to look into that.

12:46 Adrian Ho
HIllary, I've been talking with some editors on campus. Some of them showed interest in knowing more about SC issues.

12:46 dan_lee_az
Professional associations with a publishing arm are great places to promote change.

12:47 mklibrarian
Blogs could also be a great medium for sharing research with more mainstream audiences, as well as with colleagues at your insitution who aren't in your field and likely won't read your publications

12:47 Brad Gulliford
Just make sure it still sounds worthwhile to spend the time writing in blogs, though

12:48 hillarycorbett
Dan -- Yes, especially since prof. societies are often finding their trad. print publishing to be more and more unprofitable and are outsourcing to the giants. If we can stop that from happening, that's a win for us!

12:48 UNO Library
Hillary, you are so right!

12:48 Adrian Ho
Liaison librarians can play an important when reaching out to professional associations because they know the what associations there are in their disciplines.

12:48 dan_lee_az
Hillary, a number of large societies have moved to profit based publishers lately. This hasn't been a good trend.

12:49 akapucu
being member of university senate and committies might work too

12:49 dan_lee_az
Campus committee work is a great place to make connections outside your assigned departments.

12:49 mklibrarian
Student journals on campuses are also great targets to talk to. Generally faculty are involved and receptive to ideas on ways to broaden impact

12:50 Brad Gulliford
Depends on relationship of society to publisher--makes for longer chain of influence to work through

12:50 Kara Malenfant
Speaking of professional associations who publish, as an aside, let me chime in here to say that ACRL has a publishing capability (which some people don't know) and we are the ONLY non-profit publisher for academic libraries.

12:50 Kara Malenfant
We are very willing and able to do experiments with different formats and open-access, etc. Anyone who is thinking of writing a book, I'd encourage you to consider publishing with ACRL.

12:50 Kara Malenfant
OK, end of advertisment!

12:50 Adrian Ho
I saw this document recently and think we should bring it to faculty's attention: http://www.researchtoolkit.org/primer/docs/CARE%20Research%20Dissemination%20Guide.pdf

12:50 dan_lee_az
Good plug Kara!

12:51 Joe Kraus
Thanks Kara.

12:52 sgroberts
This looks quite useful, Adrian.

12:52 dan_lee_az
Adrian and I have had an editor approach us about turning the column into a book. Is there any interest in some form of scholarly communication publication? What is needed? What form should it take?

12:52 SueinME
Thanks Adrian, I'm going to add this to our "further reading" section on SC

12:52 inbakehoe
We were approached by a society publisher to produce their print journal online. The President of the association is a faculty member at the university. So, we are hosting the journal and it uses a hybrid OA model.

12:53 Christie Peters
A book would be great

12:53 Joe Kraus
I also recommend being on the library advisory board of a publisher.

12:53 dan_lee_az
inbakehoe, that's great news. What society?

12:53 Brad Gulliford
Web site! One of our faculty's book, his magnum opus, is free to the world through his university computer account.

12:54 dan_lee_az
Brad, free online and pay for print? Or just free online?

12:54 inbakehoe
Universities Art Association of Canada

12:54 Brad Gulliford
Free online--I'll hunt for the URL; it'll take a few minutes

12:55 dan_lee_az
Nice, inbakehoe.

12:55 akapucu
tenure committee care more for print publication

12:56 inbakehoe
One faculty member has acquired copyright for his publication that is now out of print. We are digitizing it and placing it in the Institutional repository.

12:56 dan_lee_az
Brad, when did the work originally come out? Is this the only way it was ever available?

12:56 Brad Gulliford
Here's the URL: http://www.uta.edu/psychology/faculty/levine/EBOOK

12:57 Joe Kraus
What do people think of SCOAP3? http://scoap3.org/

12:57 mklibrarian
inbakehoe, we have done the same thing with a handful of faculty and administrators who are our IR "pioneers"

12:57 dan_lee_az
More good news, inbakehoe. You've got some movement at your place. A model for the rest of us.

12:57 mklibrarian
*pioneers

12:57 Adrian Ho
inbakehoe, congrats. Are you digitizing back issues of journals?

12:57 Brad Gulliford
I don't think SCOAP3 goes far enough (IIRC)

12:58 dan_lee_az
inbakehoe, what have you done that sets the stage for these opportunities?

12:58 Brad Gulliford
Oh, Dan: prof's book dated 1998 (!)

12:58 tjaponteUCLA
but doesn't

12:58 inbakehoe
yes, we are. We've just purchased better equipment and will be getting into it on a bigger scale. Need to have more staff interested and trained in the area though

12:58 Joe Kraus
How far should SCOAP3 go? How could it be done/organized differently?

12:59 tjaponteUCLA
but doesn't SCOAP3 sound like an easier sell to faculty?

12:59 hillarycorbett
Thanks all for an interesting discussion... I'm on the Reference Desk at 3:00. :)

12:59 Brad Gulliford
Sorry--SCOAP has slipped from my memory; I'd need more time to reply. :-{(}

13:00 SueinME
I've got to go as well, thanks for a great discussion, my first in this format.

13:00 Joe Kraus
[Wondering if talking about SCOAP3 brought in the spam...]

13:01 dan_lee_az
We probably should be winding this down. This has been a great discussion. I'm pleased to see so much activity and success out there.

13:01 David Free
SCOAP3 talk does it everytime. We are at 2 by my computer, but feel free to stay in the room and chat longer.

13:01 David Free
Thanks to everyone for coming and participating!

13:01 inbakehoe
bye thanks for the great ideas!

13:01 uwwoman
Bye.

13:01 David Free
Transcript online by end of the day.

13:01 Adrian Ho
I agree with Dan. I picked up some new ideas from you all.

13:01 Fran
Thank you for the ideas!

13:01 dan_lee_az
Thank you David for managing the spam!

13:01 David Free
And by all means stick around and chat if you wish.

13:01 Brad Gulliford
Joe--talk to you offline later :-{)}

13:01 tjaponteUCLA
cheers

13:02 Brad Gulliford
Great conversation--thanks everybody!

13:02 Christie Peters
Thanks everyone. This was a lot of great information.

13:02 mklibrarian
Thanks all!

13:02 Joe Kraus
I am at the Univ of Denver. I am not the Joe Kraus who works for Google.

13:02 dan_lee_az
Feel free to contact Adrian and I later with ideas for publications.

13:02 Brad Gulliford
OK

13:02 David Free
I'll post archive link on ACRL Facebook too if you want to chat more in comments there.http://www.facebook.com/ala.acrl

13:03 Joe Kraus
Great discussion.

13:03 Adrian Ho
Thanks everyone!

13:03 dan_lee_az
Thanks!