NIH Public Access Policy
(11 a.m Pacific | 12:00 p.m. Mountain | 1:00 p.m. Central | 2:00 p.m. Eastern)
Conveners: Karen Williams, Associate University Librarian for Academic Programs, University of Minnesota Libraries, ACRL Scholarly Communication Committee member; and Linda Watson, Director, Health Sciences Libraries, University of Minnesota Libraries and president of the Association of Academic Health Science Libraries.
Co-sponsored by: the Association of Academic Health Sciences Libraries, the Association of Research Libraries, the Greater Western Library Alliance, and SPARC the (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition).
Now that the NIH Public Access Policy is mandatory, libraries could leverage this opportunity on campus. Discuss actions your library is taking or could take, such as:
- Educating authors
- Offering deposit services
- Partnering with your office of sponsored research
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10:31
dwfree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U--YM6w1Meo
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kurac
hi
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hslic_reference
Hello--testing from New Mexico.
10:48
danream
testing from new mexico? los alamos?
10:48
dwfree
Hello New Mexico
10:48
lindawatson
Hello New Mexico. Minnesota hears sees you!
10:48
cnelson_utpa
Hi from South Texas
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hslic_reference
Hi, not Los Alamos--Albuquerque. Hi Linda in MN, say hi to Erinn from janis
10:49
dwfree
Hi Linda - Is it as nasty up your way as here in Chi?
10:49
cnelson_utpa
Carl from Edinburg
10:49
lindawatson
Not nasty, no snow today. Just blah
10:50
cnelson_utpa
You poor northerners
10:50
dwfree
Weird combo of snow, rain and sleet here. I miss Atlanta.
10:50
danream
sunny and 70 in virginia today
10:50
lorregis
Should we be expecting audio?
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biblioteks
Hi from McGoogan
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dwfree
No audio. Just text chat.
10:50
lorregis
tnx
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cnelson_utpa
85 here in Texas
10:51
nwoelfl
And another cheery hello from McGoogan Library at University of Nebraska Med Center
10:51
frauline
testing from NYU
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bondjd
Hello from Texas Christian University here in Fort Worth!
10:52
lindawatson
A favor for older eyes: how about changing your font to 12?
10:52
cnelson_utpa
OK
10:52
amurrell
how's this?
10:53
roneef
Hi from Nashville -- Ronee Francis
10:53
rickettk
testing from NC
10:54
dsulibrarians
Hello from Madison, SD.
10:54
MollyK
also testing from NC
10:55
debcrand
Hello from North Shore-LIJ in NY
10:55
JuliePW
Hello from Bothell, WA
10:55
hslkate
Hello from NC
10:57
lindawatson
Hi Karen (from across the river!)
10:58
sarlicat
Testing
10:58
karenwilli
Hello everyone. Welcome to the first OnPoint chat.
10:58
lukethelibrarian
hello from san antonio -- university of texas health science center
10:59
sarlicat
Should there be audio?
10:59
lindawatson
No audio - just text. Hope our typing and spelling is up to it!
10:59
dwfree
No audio. Just text chat.
10:59
sarlicat
Great! thanks for the confirmation
10:59
lukethelibrarian
just make sure to type loud ;-)
11:00
karenwilli
Hi all. Looks like it's time to begin.
11:00
lindawatson
Shall we get started? We're 11 days away from the implementation of the NIH Policy. What strategies have been successful on your campus in getting the word out to researchers?
11:00
sarlicat
presentations--customized for the department
11:01
karenwilli
I see Wayne Loftus signed on. Do you want to share what we've been working on at MN?
11:01
lorregis
We're working with the Vice President for Research in developing some information resources.
11:01
hslic_reference
Three of our faculty have put up a nify interactive website. hsc.unm.edu/library. Look under More Information in right hand column.
11:01
waloftus
We've been coordinating with the Sponsored Project Administration to divide up the work, creating a single contact point which will then triage any questions to the appropriate resources.
11:02
hcorbett
Yesterday we presented a poster session on the mandate at our university's annual Research and Scholarship Expo. It was a great opportunity to talk with faculty and grad students.
11:02
waloftus
We've also been directly addressing as many audiences as we can get in front of, putting announcments wherever we can, and we've created a website that outlines the details from an institution-specific perspective.
11:03
mullalyquijasm
We are on the agenda for our animal users group meeting.
11:03
lindawatson
A poster session seems like a great opportunity for one on one consultation
11:03
karenwilli
What are you hearing as you work with faculty? What questions do they have?
11:03
hcorbett
Yes -- I should also mention that we copresented the poster with two biology faculty who surveyed their colleagues and grad students, and provided some tabular data on their responses for the poster.
11:05
thecat
Our faculty have lots of questions. Many of them resent the burden of complying, but a few are more positive about it.
11:05
lindawatson
Most of the faculty questions I've heard so far have been around the rights issue. What are the policies of their journals, how do I know?
11:06
sarlicat
Some journal policies make the process of retaining rights invisible
11:06
sarlicat
but there is still the issue of PIs having to approve the PDF and the Web versions via NIHMS email.
11:07
karenwilli
We've been positioning the Libraries as a source of support -- trying to avoid being seen as the compliance people. We'll help with questions about that, but don't the policing role.
11:07
MollyK
that's one area where I'm confused: do the PIs approve the versions, or do the authors? what happens when the PI isn't the author or even a co-author? who approves then?
11:07
sarlicat
When i say invisible i mean that some publishers make this easy for authors by allowing authors to comply as well as submitting
11:08
lindawatson
Many of us are preparing support at all levels. How many of you think faculty will want the library to do the submission on their behalf?
11:08
sarlicat
For third party submissions--it is my understanding that a PI will receive two emails from NIHMS--first is "Approve PDF" and the second is "Approve Web Version."
11:09
lorregis
I think they'd like it. I'm considering it because we have only a couple dozen PIs that will be effected by the policy.
11:09
thecat
We're offering that service and *lots* of people perk up when we tell them about it in training sessions, but so far nobody has requested the service
11:09
mullalyquijasm
I see that as a role for the library.
11:09
hslic_reference
We decided to provide info about the submission process but not to do the actual work.
11:09
sarlicat
We submit on behalf of authors and it is well received.
11:09
HDCatNCState
I think the nih FAQ says that the PI is responsible, regardless of being an author
11:10
nwoelfl
How do you handle the proof-reading issues, sarlicat?
11:10
karenwilli
Those of you submitting for authors -- do you also try to get the articles in your IR -- if you have one?
11:10
sarlicat
Yes, the NIHMS tutorials indicate that PI is responsible even if they are not an author.
11:10
lindawatson
For those of you doing the submitting, who is doing it? What kind of service structure are you setting up to accommodate?
11:10
MollyK
does responsible equal having approval rights? if the PI didn't author the article, how would he/she be able to determine that it was correctly reformatted by NIH?
11:10
catlib56
We also offer to submit on their behalf but also no takers so far.
11:10
sarlicat
No, we are keeping the IR and the NIH Public Access Policy parts separate.
11:10
debcrand
If you are going to provide the service of library submissions for authors, are any of you willing to share the process you have set up for doing that?
11:11
catlib56
We encourage authors/PIs to submit through us so that we can also include in our IR
11:11
catlib56
We have an information page that links to a simple form-- but not as simple as the NIH one (shh-- don't tell) bec. we want a little more info for our IR
11:11
sarlicat
I'm happy to share information--just contact me at ----------------
11:12
debcrand
please explain "IR"
11:12
catlib56
I can share info including our web pages. email -----------------------
11:12
catlib56
Institutional Repository
11:12
dwfree
Tech note: If you copy and paste a URL into the chat box it should be a live link people can follow. Use the http://
11:12
thecat
we only serve as third party submitters, the PI still has to approve the PDF and web version
11:13
nwoelfl
Ah, now I've figured out who you are, sarlicat. We've looked to your Wash U website as a good model.
11:13
hslic_reference
If you're also submitting to the IR, are you coaching re. copyright (e.g. modify the copyright agreement to include both PMC and IR)?
11:13
lukethelibrarian
IR = institutional repository
11:13
sarlicat
Thanks!
11:13
catlib56
We have TWO sets of agreements; one for NIH/PMC and one for our IR
11:14
thecat
This is our page -
http://guides.lib.uiowa.edu/nihpublicaccess
11:14
catlib56
One "carrot" we are offering to encourage PIs to submit through us is that we will partner w/ them to determine rights
11:14
thecat
Our legal counsel wants to handle rights issues, so we refer to them
11:15
catlib56
Yes, it's important to be in close contact w/ University Counsel; all our agreements are reviewed by UC
11:15
karenwilli
Can you describe the rights "partnership" a little more?
11:15
sarlicat
That is a fine line--guidance and actual advice on retaining rights, isn't it?
11:16
dwfree
Tech note: Click on the URL and not "show now" to launch a URL in your browser
11:16
catlib56
PIs/authors don't have a problem filling out the forms because they are So Easy. but they are confused by whether they are cleared to contribute to NIH/PMC. Basically, we offer to research for them, and confirm our findings
11:16
sarlicat
We provide guidance to allow the author to make up their own mind. At no point do we offer firm advice. Anything beyond that we refer them to our Office of General Counsel.
11:17
lindawatson
Interesting re your legal counsel - what does he/she think about the publishing agreements they're seeing? Had they been aware of them before this? What steps is counsel taking with publishers' policies who don't permit deposit?
11:17
jeanneaz
When we created our web help page, we partnered with General Counsel. We created a devoted mailbox for faculty NIH questions that the Libraries oversee. General Cousel will answer the questions we feel we cannpot rightfully answer.
11:17
catlib56
We don't claim to be a legal service, only to share results of our research w/ them, e.g. standard policies found on publishers web sites, Sherpa/Romeo summaries, etc.
11:17
catlib56
We're also adapting the Addendum to work for the NIH mandate
11:18
sarlicat
We have yet to come across a publisher that refuses an author the right to comply.
11:18
sarlicat
We have had publishers refuse authors the right to post manuscripts to PMC that date from pre-2005.
11:18
amperry
Re: catlib56, I think that's a great way to use our strengths to help - we know how to research!
11:18
thecat
I think those questions are still to be determined, since the policy isn't in effect yet.
11:18
lukethelibrarian
oops, said my message was too long... let me try again... i'd like to make a suggestion:
11:18
karenwilli
Jeanneaz and others -- how do you call faculty attention to your services? Is you research office linking to you?
11:18
sarlicat
This is something of interest to our authors--posting all of their work on PMC regardless of when it was published.
11:18
lukethelibrarian
might we perhaps agree on a common "tag" that we could use when posting materials to del.icio.us or ma.gnolia (like UNM's and Iowa's webpages)...
11:19
lukethelibrarian
or flickr (like hcorbett's poster) or slideshare.net or whatever...
11:19
lukethelibrarian
that way they could all be easily gathered together using something like technorati, even RSS-syndicated?
11:19
nwoelfl
Have any of you seen an offer from Elsevier to upload on behalf of the authors they publish? Our VC for research appeared to receive such an offer but I've lost the messge her forwarded me?
11:19
thecat
Yes, we had a faculty member tell us about that
11:20
thecat
but it doesn't appear on any of their public web pages - seems to be a communication only with the author
11:20
catlib56
Is that by special arrangement or is it their new policy?
11:20
sarlicat
define "upload"
11:20
sarlicat
is this the same as submit?
11:20
nwoelfl
upload = submit to the NIH manuscript system
11:20
thecat
as best we can tell by what the faculty member told us, Elsevier said they would submit for the faculty member
11:20
jeanneaz
We have coordinated efforts with several offices on campus, Research being among them. They cite our mailbox on their webpage and mentioned it in their letters to NIH PIs on campus.
11:20
thecat
but that's all second-hand, unconfirmed
11:21
sarlicat
it is my understanding that Elsevier submits on behalf of authors and has done so for awhile?
11:21
catlib56
Our Office of Sponsored Research wants the libraries to take the lead on this bec. it's really the institution that's on the line
11:21
hcorbett
Elsevier's listing on Sherpa Romeo states that they will submit NIH authors' articles to PubMed after 12 months
11:21
HDCatNCState
Does anyone know if Sherpa/Romeo is being updated with this new policy?
11:21
catlib56
And they want to make sure Univ. is in compliance
11:22
catlib56
They want to link to our pages from their web pages
11:22
nwoelfl
what's sherpa romeo?
11:22
catlib56
Yes, I have already seen the "NIH" policy referenced
11:22
waloftus
Elsevier will act as a third-party submitter, much as any of us would. They're not offering to submit the final pdf, merely the manuscript. The PI will still need to approve the pdf and web-versions.
11:22
hslic_reference
SHERPA/Juliet tracks funding mandates
11:22
thecat
Yes, we coordinated with legal and also with the Vice President for Research - and the VPR announced our training and our website in the campus grants bulletin
11:22
sarlicat
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.autho…
--Info on Elsevier's services for NIH funded authors.
11:22
roneef
http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo.php
11:23
thecat
nice, thanks for finding that
11:23
lukethelibrarian
RoMEO does have a field for "Mandated OA" that includes an indication of compliance/noncompliance with the NIH policy
11:23
lindawatson
Yes, Elsevier will submit an author's manuscript on their behalf. The author will then get an email from PubMed Central to verify and proof the rendering into PMC web format.
11:23
catlib56
Anyone else interested in having NIH offer an upload "pathway" from IRs to NIH/PMC? So far, only batch or automated route is for publishers
11:23
digital_librarian
YES!
11:24
catlib56
If enough of us band together, we won't have to do each one by hand
11:24
karenwilli
Yes, that would be great.
11:24
debcrand
As I understand, NIH has not incorporated a way to copy the Office of Sponsored Research that the submission was done. Anyone planning on getting involved to assist in tracking this and how?
11:24
hslic_reference
what about a load from PMC to the IR?
11:24
devakosr
We, the U of Toronto would be interested in having an upload pathway - also to comply w/ the Cdn Institute of Health Research Mandate in the long awaited PMC Canda
11:24
rommel10
Hello from Hunter C NYC
11:25
karenwilli
Welcome to those just joining us.
11:25
digital_librarian
so far, loading from PMC to IR is illegal
11:25
hslic_reference
oh, thanks for the info...didn't know that
11:25
clayton_c
Illegal? How so?
11:26
digital_librarian
on NIH FAQ page it is strictly prohibitted
11:26
devakosr
but linking to content in pmc from your ir is fine - no full text, just metadata though
11:26
digital_librarian
correct
11:26
hslic_reference
is it b/c not all stuff in
11:26
hslic_reference
PMC is able to be in your IR b/c of copyright?
11:27
amperry
many of the publishers agreements specifically allow a copy in PMC - not other IRs
11:27
digital_librarian
yes
11:27
devakosr
many of the publishers agreements specifically allow a copy in PMC - not other IRs
[14:27] digital_librarian: can you give us an example?
11:29
clayton_c
Which is more common: author gets agreement from publisher to post a copy in IR, or IR simply links to existing copy in PMC?
11:29
digital_librarian
an example of what we cannot do is batch load all the info we can find about our faculty from PMC and put it in our IR
11:29
roneef
would it be possible to offer a service where research is automatically uploaded to PMC from your IR?
11:29
digital_librarian
full text
11:30
hslic_reference
How is anyone planning to track compliance rates?
11:30
amperry
an easy example are publishers that already work with PMC - they do automatically deposit an article there. But that doesn't necessarily mean it can be deposited in your IR w/o permission
11:30
sarlicat
Isn't compliance the onus of the Office of Research or equivalent?
11:30
catlib56
We're positioned to automatically upload all NIH-funded research from our IR to PMC
11:31
digital_librarian
i think it would be absolutely wonderful if we began uploading from IR to PMC
11:31
lindawatson
No suprise that most of the uncertainty is around rights management - on both our authors part and our part in looking for linkages bewteen PMC and our IRs.
11:31
catlib56
Yes, the rights issues are sticky. That is also the most time-consuming part
11:31
HDCatNCState
catlib56, i'm interested in finding out how you positioned yourself that way?
11:32
HDCatNCState
our research office is interested in using the IR to help check compliance
11:32
sarlicat
Yes i agree with Linda's comment--that is why we are keeping IR and the NIH policy separate--too much confusion for our authors.
11:32
karenwilli
Is anyone trying to negotiate with publishers at an institutional level, rather than leaving it to individual PIs?
11:32
hslic_reference
Interesting question, karenwilli.
11:32
thecat
we are not planning to track compliance
11:33
catlib56
We have a faculty deposit module front-end for our IR. One element specifically asks to identify the sponsor, and NIH is on the list. We can flag all deposit w/ the NIH sponsor to export to PMC.
11:33
hslic_reference
isn't this what Harvard is doing? Institutional negotiations?
11:33
catlib56
But we'd rather not do it manually of course
11:33
lindawatson
There have been some questions/comments about compliance. Many of us are leaving compliance tracking to the Sponsored Projects folks, who are sharing ideas and concerns among themselves just like we are.
11:33
thecat
however, I believe our grants office will add it to their "routing slip"
11:33
sarlicat
Our role is education, guidance and increasing awareness.
11:34
thecat
we've gotten lots of questions about compliance - mostly from researchers who want to know what will happen if they ignore the policy
11:34
catlib56
Our Office of Sponsored Research is very good at tracking grants and PIs. E.g. they have the list of 139 current NIH grants at the univ.
11:34
hcorbett
Agreed -- it is not our role to monitor/enforce compliance.
11:34
sarlicat
Neturality has its benefits
11:34
jeanneaz
We are attempting to negotitate with publishers at an institutional level for deposit into PMC and additional rights.
11:35
catlib56
Mostly what will happen is nothing-- until the next person goes to submit a grant proposal and NIH finds that earlier grants' articles are not in PMC
11:35
amperry
I suppose that the OSR would need to ask us to track compliance - but they are in the best position to do it
11:35
karenwilli
I could be wrong, but I didn't think Harvard was actually negotiating. They have an institutional policy. Someone jump in if you know more.
11:35
kimber868
catlib56 - what institution are you with?
11:35
hslic_reference
yes, they are best to enforce compliance, but can't we help with the search string in PMC/PubMed?
11:35
karenwilli
jeanneaz -- can you say which publishers you're working with?
11:35
catlib56
Rutgers University
11:36
HDCatNCState
yes. we would not be tracking compliance, but if the IR could be useful, it would be a worthwhile area to explore
11:36
pbt56
i've heard that compliance will be self-correcting at the NIH study section level...
11:36
pbt56
when it becomes clear that a PI has or has not been entering there grant-related pubs in PMC because of a "tag" that the publication will be assigned to designate publication in public access.
11:36
MollyK
karenwilli, you are correct, as far as i understand. harvard has negotiated a license with their faculty to which they are accountable before they enter into negotiations with publishers via publishing contracts
11:37
nwoelfl
To expand on pbt56, the NIH open access FAQ says noncompliance will be addressed "administratively," not at the scientific review level.
11:37
lindawatson
The study sections are not involved in "compliance" at all. Compliance is to be "administrative" and may delay or prevent funding, althought there are many unknowns from NIH.
11:37
waloftus
Given that there's no author-name control in PubMed, and that only the affiliations of primary authors are captured, I'm not sure we're even in a position to provide much help with compliance, even if we wanted to.
11:37
thecat
I'm pretty sure that's Harvard College and not Harvard Medical... Harvard has lots of different units
11:38
hcorbett
Harvard's policy mandates that their authors (in the Faculty of Arts and Sciences) deposit preprints of their articles in their own IR. It is opt-out, though.
11:38
MollyK
it's harvard faculty of arts and sciences.....excludes medical, law, business, etc.
11:38
jeanneaz
smaller publishers at this time. Pre the NIH mandate, when it was voluntary, we were not too successful. Will see if the changed landscape affects future attempts.
11:39
pbt56
so we don't know what 'administrative' means?
11:39
MollyK
i believe it means withholding of award funds
11:39
waloftus
Awards will be made, but checks will not be cut.
11:40
MollyK
of course, that would be worst case scenario
11:40
nwoelfl
I'm not sure NIH even knows what "administrative" means at this point
11:40
catlib56
If NIH is anything like NSF, I think it means that the reviewers (mostly current or former grantees) don't look at compliance, but the NIH grants staff does that
11:40
MollyK
hopefully there will be several steps between realization of non-compliance and withholding of funds
11:41
catlib56
If there has been past "non-compliance," I can imagine that NIH will allow the institution to correct it-- get the journal articles in PMC
11:41
waloftus
I had heard that Michigan had some plans to make use of the bulk submission pathway set up for publishers. Anyone know anything about that?
11:41
MollyK
that assuming, of course, that the authors retained the necessary rights to archive
11:41
pbt56
if the consequences are clear, logical and consistant, authors will be compliant,
11:42
MollyK
that's the key sticking point in my mind: if our authors doesn't retain the necessary rights, there might not be much they/we can do to become retroactively compliant
11:42
catlib56
Would like to hear about the Michigan plans. We've also looked at the publishers pathway
11:43
catlib56
The NIH publishers' pathway is much better than the straight-into-PMC one because the former doesn't require u to XML-ize the files
11:44
rislenore
MI here... re bulk submissions I know that there have been discussions and we are gathering some mss to use for a test case. Unfortunately I'm on the gathering end not the discussion end so I don't know too much abt the details. =)
11:44
nwoelfl
What are the differences between the publisher pathway and straight into PMC processes?
11:45
waloftus
http://www.nihms.nih.gov/publishers.html#q3
11:45
roneef
This would potentially skip the IR to PMC option
11:45
catlib56
A publisher who send articles from their journals into PMC must send only XML files. NIH publisher pathway allows u to send "original" or "native" files such as Word or PDF
11:46
catlib56
Also, the NIH pathway includes some form of author/PI agreement
11:46
nwoelfl
Why can't individual investigators send word or PDF? It would be much easier for them
11:46
catlib56
They can! But we want them also in our IR.
11:47
waloftus
Correct. Publisher pathway requires only original files, plus a little metadata in xml.
11:47
devakosr
my understanding is that can send word or pdf but figures and illustrations must be sent as tiff or jpeg
11:49
karenwilli
We are approaching the end of our time. David, can you tell us about the archiving of this chat?
11:49
catlib56
Hmm. I think they can also be Word or Excel
11:49
lindawatson
Lots of interesting conversation here. What are your ideas for how to share best practices?
11:49
dwfree
We can keep going if people want to stay
11:49
catlib56
I'd be interested in coordinating w/ others who want to get an IR pathway. Rhonda Marker Rutgers
11:49
tschaka1
Where will this be archived again?
11:49
dwfree
But the chat will be archived here in the near future:
http://www.ala.org/ala/acrl/acrlproftools/OnPoint/…
11:49
roneef
Thanks Rhonda.
11:50
kathryndeiss
It
11:50
kathryndeiss
Sorry
11:50
lorregis
Could we use a blog or wiki to share best practices?
11:50
jonstahler
It will be archived off of the onpoint page David just posted.
11:50
kathryndeiss
David put up direction
11:50
dwfree
Not sure how soon as this is the first time and all. But soon.
11:50
dwfree
But seriously, keep talking
11:50
lukethelibrarian
wiki sounds good to me
11:50
jonstahler
I will gather the archive either later today once everyone has exited the session or tomorrow.
11:50
danream
how about the libsuccess wiki for best practices
11:51
tschaka1
Thanks for all of the good discussion and great ideas.
11:51
amperry
danream, that's a good idea
11:51
usc1marie
There's an existing wiki on the topic at
http://publishingbiomedresearch.wetpaint.com/.
Maybe we can continue conversation there?
11:51
devakosr
I'd be happy to explore ir/pmc pathways -----------------------
11:51
lorregis
Yes, I think an existing wiki would be good idea
11:51
danream
lib success is at
http://www.libsuccess.org
11:52
karenwilli
Those who don't have to go can continue conversing here today . . .
11:52
roneef
someone mentioned a common delicious tag...
11:52
karenwilli
just wanted to make sure we got the archive info to folks who need to leave.
11:52
amperry
usc1marie, even better!
11:53
karenwilli
Nice idea to talk about future communication, tho.
11:53
kathryndeiss
We could always set up another OnPoint for follow-up
11:53
hcorbett
I am using "NIH" as my tag for delicious. My username there is sc.at.neu
11:54
dwfree
We'll post on ACRL Insider when archive is up:
http://www.acrl.ala.org/acrlinsider/
11:54
roneef
I think this is a good idea.
11:54
HDCatNCState
yes, a follow up after the implementation would be great.
11:54
lorregis
We could also continue discussion in comments to that post
11:54
kathryndeiss
OK, we will plan on that and get the info out to you all once we have a date
11:55
kathryndeiss
excellent idea to continue in the comments on the post!
11:55
lorregis
It looks like we may need some time to look into where to post best practices. We have a couple interesting wikis to view!
11:55
amperry
what about "Lib_NIH" for a delicious tag for libraries' nih pages?
11:56
lorregis
sounds good, amperry
11:56
amperry
I really liked Luke's suggestion
11:56
catlib56
I like the Lib_NIH tag
11:57
deltoror
Doesn't the NIH already have a page listing library's NIH policy pages? send you URL there to be added
11:57
hcorbett
Off to the reference desk now -- thanks for the chat!
11:57
catlib56
We'll talk more about IRs to PMC on the wiki(s) too
11:57
lindawatson
I need to sign out now. Thanks to all for participating in this virtual community. And good luck to everyone on April 7th!
11:57
lorregis
That also sounds very good, deltoror
11:57
dwfree
Thanks for doing this Linda!
11:57
cnelson_utpa
Thank you for the chat it was very interesting
11:57
dwfree
But people are free to stay in the room and continue talking
11:57
catlib56
Actually, ACRL has the page of libraries' NIH pages
11:58
dwfree
We're super glad you folks came and got something out of the chat!
11:58
deltoror
Ok thanks; I knew I'd seen it omewhere
11:59
lorregis
Thanks everyone - this has been very useful. I look forward to seeing more on the ACRL Insider and maybe another chat
12:00
karenwilli
Kara, can you give us the URL for the ACRL page with the NIH links?
12:00
lukethelibrarian
thanks, everybody - i'll look out for "nih" and "lib_nih" tags
12:01
dwfree
I think Kara is in and out of the room. We'll post that link to the Insider as well
12:01
catlib56
I misspoke, it is ARL the link is
http://www.arl.org/sc/implement/nih/guide/nih-reso…
12:01
kara_malenfant
I think people mean ARL? ARL Guide to NIH Policy
http://www.arl.org/sc/implement/nih/guide/index.sh…
which links under “resources” to many university websites
12:03
catlib56
Thank you for the great chat. Good to find others who are in the same boat!
12:03
amperry
thanks everyone!
12:03
karenwilli
Thanks for chatting everyone. I need to head out for my next meeting but have learned much this hour.
12:04
kara_malenfant
Have an idea for a future chat topic? (Beyond NIH) let any ACRL staff member know.
12:04
kara_malenfant
We're looking for new topics for chats this fall.
12:04
kara_malenfant
And conveners too!:)